The Blackest Questions

Hollywood veteran Ernie Hudson takes the history hot seat

Episode 29

Seasoned actor Ernie Hudson talks his love for writing, poetry and how fate stepped in to align him with iconic photographer and film director Gordon Parks.

NEW YORK, NEW YORK – NOVEMBER 15: Actor Ernie Hudson attends the GHOSTBUSTERS: AFTERLIFE World Premiere. (Photo by Theo Wargo/Getty Images for Sony Pictures)


Panama Jackson [00:00:00] You were now listening to theGrio’s Black podcast network, Black Culture Amplified.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:00:06] Hi, and welcome to the Blackest Questions. I’m your host, Dr. Christina Greer, politics editor for theGrio and associate professor of political science at Fordham University. In this podcast, we ask our guest five of the Blackest questions so we can learn a little bit more about them and have some fun while we’re doing it. We’re also going to learn a lot about Black history past and present. So here’s how this works. We have five rounds of questions about us, Black history, the entire diaspora, current events, you name it. And with each round, the questions get a little tougher and the guest has 10 seconds to get it right. If they answer the question correctly, they’ll receive one symbolic Black fist and they’ll hear this. And if they get it wrong, they’ll hear this. But we still love them anyway. And after five questions, there’ll be a Black bonus round at the end. Just for fun. Our guest for this episode is Ernie Hudson Earnest Lee Hudson is an American actor and voice actor. He’s most known for his roles as Winston Zeddemore in the Ghostbusters film series, warden Leo Glynn on HBO’s Oz and Sergeant Albrecht in the Crown. He’s been in numerous films. Most notably are the Ghostbusters series, The Hand That Rocks the Cradle, The Crow, and its sequel, The Crow Stairway to Heaven, Miss Congeniality and its sequel, Miss Congeniality two. And You’re Not You. And he’s also appeared in in several Hallmark movies. Oh, Mr. Hudson, thank you so much for joining the Black question.

Ernie Hudson [00:01:29] Well, thank you. I’m so happy to be here with you, I think.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:01:32] It’s all in good fun. I promise you. theGrio is just going to treat you right. So I’ve been told that you’re from Benton Harbor, Michigan.

Ernie Hudson [00:01:42] Yes.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:01:43] And you grew up writing short stories and poems and you dreamt of being on stage. Where did that come from? Are you from a artsy family?

Ernie Hudson [00:01:51] No, no, no. I never knew anyone even remotely in the business when I was growing up. But, you know, you watch television, you see movies, you know, you fantasize, never really thinking it was a reality that was possible. But, you know, as life goes on, you get introduced to more and suddenly that those possibilities adjust and change.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:02:13] Okay, Are you ready for question number one?

Ernie Hudson [00:02:16] Yes. Let’s have it.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:02:17] This photographer, composer, author, poet and film director is quoted for saying the camera is used as a weapon against poverty and racism. Who was he?

Ernie Hudson [00:02:31] Gordon Parks?

Dr. Christina Greer [00:02:33] Yes, you are correct. It’s Gordon Parks one of the most groundbreaking figures in 20th century photographer. His photojournalism during the 1940s to the 1970s reveals important aspects of American culture, and he became known for focusing on issues of civil rights, poverty, race relations and urban life. And one of his most famous photographs shows a family gathered around a segregated water fountain in Mobile, Alabama, in 1956. So Parks’s pictures show the struggle of Black Americans to gain equal rights during the civil rights movement, as well as depictions of poverty and racism across the entire country. So when you’re working with Gordon Parks, what was what were some of the lessons learned from the set? Was that your first big set that you had worked on?

Ernie Hudson [00:03:16] Yeah, I’d done some small things in Detroit, but that was the first. It was a major studio movie and I remember I had a very, very difficult dance. It was a challenge. Roger Mosley was playing guitar and I was dancing. We’re competing for the same girl and I got tired and I just I just I stopped and said, Cut. And he went off. He told me you’d never say cut.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:03:45] You don’t get to say cut.

Ernie Hudson [00:03:47] Yeah, I say cut. And since then I’ve never said cut again. I, you know, I’ve just kind of fight through it and do what I gotta do. But, but he was just really, he was just, just, he was a just wonderful man. I knew him up until he transitioned. He always called me the character’s name, which is Archie. So I was always Archie. But yeah, I just always remember him just could not believe that I said cut and stop. I met Gordon’s daughter and left a photo and resumé at her house almost by accident on her piano, not knowing that that night Gordon Parks was going to come to dinner and he saw my photo and resumé, and he was doing Leadbelly, which was his second movie he did, The Learning Tree was his first movie. And um, and he, the studio gave me a call and it sort of came out of a lot of frustration, a lot of trying hard, a lot of trying to make something happen. And just at that point when it seemed impossible, I get a call from from the studio, Paramount Studios saying Gordon Parks wanted to see me.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:05:01] Hmm.

Ernie Hudson [00:05:01] I don’t even know his daughter. When I, I didn’t know she was related to him, but that’s kind of how it happened.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:05:10] We’re going to take a quick break and come back with Mr. Ernie Hudson, playing the Blackest Questions. Okay, We are back. We’re playing the Blackest Questions with Mr. Ernie Hudson. Are you ready for question number two?

Ernie Hudson [00:05:25] Okay, let’s have it.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:05:26] Okay. You do it very well, by the way.

Ernie Hudson [00:05:29] It’s one question.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:05:30] We’re one for one. Hey, listen, that’s better than some. So which Black Panther: Wakanda Forever stars are all Yale drama school alumni.

Ernie Hudson [00:05:40] Oh. Angela Bassett is. And who else was? No. Oh. What’s her name? The African actress. But I. I just can’t think of her name.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:06:11] It’s three. So it’s Bassett, it’s Lupita Nyong’o. And another.

Ernie Hudson [00:06:17] Is umm, Danai Gurira. Did she go to Yale? 

Dr. Christina Greer [00:06:21] No, she didn’t. The third also starred in Modern Family. Not at the same time as you, but Winston Duke.

Ernie Hudson [00:06:29] Oh, really?

Dr. Christina Greer [00:06:30] Yes. So Angela Bassett made history at the 2023 Golden Globes in Los Angeles when she won for best supporting actress in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Becoming the first performer to win a globe in an acting category for their role in a marvel film. In 2014, Lupita Nyong’o became the first Black actress to land a Lancome contract and was also named People magazine’s Most beautiful. And her character, Nakia, revealed to have a son with the Black Panther in Wakanda Forever. Spoiler alert if you haven’t seen Wakanda Forever. And then Winston Duke is a Tobagonian actor. He made his feature film debut in the role of M’baku in Black Panther, and is best known for portraying the character in four films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So there’s there’s quite a bit of Yale Drama School represented in Black Panther. So you you’re one of the handful of actors in Hollywood to receive a full scholarship to the MFA program at the prestigious Yale Drama School. How did that come about? Did someone see you? Did you go out and audition? Was Yale on your radar at all? How does that how did that work?

Ernie Hudson [00:07:36] Well, when I graduated from Wayne State in Detroit, I got a scholarship to the University of Iowa. And I was really and then I saw Ronald Reagan movie where he had a Yale sweater on. And I thought, Yale, that would be kind of cool. So I applied late and and was told to wait another year when, you know, that I missed the deadline. And then I ended up driving to Yale and asked to meet with the dean of admissions. I had an interview with him and convinced him that I really needed to go now. I was in the playwriting program. I wasn’t in the acting.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:08:22] Okay.

Ernie Hudson [00:08:23] And and that’s kind of one of those things that life unfolds in a way that I couldn’t have planned that.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:08:31] Right.

Ernie Hudson [00:08:32] So by the time I left the meeting and drove from New Haven to Detroit, when I walked in to my apartment, the phone was ringing and it was Yale saying that I had been accepted.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:08:43] So you just got back in the car and turn turned back around?

Ernie Hudson [00:08:47] Well, eventually, my my ex-wife was heading to Minnesota to work on a Ph.D., But yeah, it was Yale was probably not the best fit for me. That probably wasn’t the best fit for me. You know, I didn’t finish the program. I never really, Yale was a different time. By the time Angela Bassett came along, the program had changed a lot, but I never really felt it was the best thing and certainly not the best thing for my writing. I know that probably sounds whatever, but.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:09:19] No, I mean, not every school’s a great fit as an academic. I definitely know that for sure. Okay.

Ernie Hudson [00:09:25] You know, when I was at Yale, I was you know, I had already graduated college, had been working a lot, and I thought I knew probably more than I did. So I was not really receptive to, you know.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:09:39] Uh huh, Yes. The you know, the larger critiques of life that one needs to grow into.

Ernie Hudson [00:09:44] Ronald Reagan’s sweater should not have been the biggest motivation for going to Yale.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:09:49] Yeah, it’s for our listeners out there, we aren’t going to take career advice from Ronald Reagan in sweaters or anything else with that man. All right. We’re going to take a quick break and come back with Mr. Ernie Hudson playing the Blackest Questions. I am back. We’re playing the Blackest Questions. I’m with Mr. Ernie Hudson. We’re doing all right. We’re about one and a half at a two. Are you ready for question number three?

Ernie Hudson [00:10:17] Yes.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:10:18] Okay. This person was a revolutionary for civil rights in the 1970s and 1980s and used his music as a form of political activism. His 1970 and 1971 albums unintentionally anointed him the first rapper title. Who is he?

Ernie Hudson [00:10:39] Wow, the first rapper title?

Dr. Christina Greer [00:10:42] His albums from 1970 and 1971.

Ernie Hudson [00:10:47] I. I have no idea.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:10:50] Okay, so the answer is Gil Scott-Heron.

Ernie Hudson [00:10:53] Oh, wow. Oh, geez. Of course. Yeah.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:10:56] Gil Scott-Heron was a poet who underscored his words with music. And few artists have been more influential to the music industry than Gil Scott-Heron. His 1970 album, Small Talk, preceded rap by nearly a decade and paved the way for modern artists like Kanye West and Kendrick Lamar and so many others. And when Pieces of a man was recorded in 1971, enriched with 14 consciously potent and luscious tracks, this could have been recognized as just a very good soul album. But when tracing down the lineage of lyrical music and the birth of hip hop, many students of the genre trace it back to this album from 1971. So we know that, you know, you wrote short stories. You were a playwright and poems. Did you ever listen to Gil Scott-Heron? Was he part of your, I guess, vinyl collection?

Ernie Hudson [00:11:43] Yeah. Yeah, he was. You know, it’s funny because he said rap. I didn’t think of him. I’ve always done as a poet. But yeah, he would have you know, he would have been the, you know, the beginning of that he was doing it was amazing. He was doing things and saying things that, you know, nobody else was doing in the same way. So I yeah, he was very, very, very influential, especially at that time in college, because, you know, I think we were all sort of it was kind of the beginning, not the beginning, but we were all trying to immerse ourselves in the whole Black power experience, embracing, you know, what we thought of as ourselves. No, but but Gil Scott was very, very. He was. Which was an amazing talent.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:12:36] Mm hmm. Now, thinking back from your days when you wrote, especially when you were in undergrad as a professor, I’m always curious, do you have a particular class that you remember fondly that that you feel is is part of the foundation of who you are today?

Ernie Hudson [00:12:51] Yeah. There was a professor at Wayne State. His name was Earl D.A. Smith. Earl set up a Black students organization. He ran the quote Black Theater part of the program, but he was really just an amazing professor and really encouraged me because I had an assignment that I turned in to write a scene or something, and he encouraged me to complete it as a play, which did very well. They put it on at the theater and then a couple of other places did the play. But but Earl was just really. Very, very influential. Even now I think about him and also I think some of the basic tenants that I follow as an actor. My you know, the way I approach my work that came from the lessons and training I got from him. And there was there’s a professor in David Reagle who’s at the University of Detroit but also taught classes at Wayne State, was also really, they had a big influence on me and put me in a real basic way, because that was they saw something in me that I think in the very beginning I didn’t see in myself.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:14:26] Right. Well, that’s the best part of being a professor.

Ernie Hudson [00:14:31] Yeah. And they allowed me that space to find it.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:14:34] Mm hmm.

Ernie Hudson [00:14:35] You know, I mean, and that, you know.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:14:37] We sort of. We see the seeds and we just we keep watering it, and sometimes they flourish right in front of our eyes and the span of a semester. And sometimes, you know, we look up, and it’s been months or years later, and we’ve just been a part of that growth process.

Ernie Hudson [00:14:52] Yeah.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:14:52] Short little journey, which is the best part of being a professor. Lovely that you talk about your professors. Okay. We’re going to take a quick break. I’m with Mr. Ernie Hudson and we’re playing the Blackest Questions. Okay, We are back. I’m with Mr. Ernie Hudson. We’re playing the Blackest Questions. Are you ready for question number four?

Ernie Hudson [00:15:16] I think so.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:15:17] Okay. You’re doing very well. So, question number four. Prior to embarking on a successful literary career, this writer, author and Pulitzer Prize winner first served in the U.S. Coast Guard. Who was he?

Ernie Hudson [00:15:35] The U.S. Coast Guard? Geez, I don’t know. Richard Wright. I don’t know.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:15:49] Good guess. But it’s Alex Haley.

Ernie Hudson [00:15:53] Alex Haley, of course.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:15:54] So Haley conducted interviews for Playboy magazine. He elicited candid comments from jazz musicians like Miles Davis about his thoughts and feelings on racism. He appeared in Playboy September 1962 issue with Reverend Martin Luther King Jr’s Playboy interview with him. And it was the longest he ever granted to any publication. The Autobiography of Malcolm X was published in 1965, which was Haley’s first book, and he Ghost wrote The Autobiography of Malcolm X based on more than 50 in-depth interviews he conducted with Malcolm X between 1963 and Malcolm X’s February 1965 assassination. And in 1973, Haley wrote his only screenplay, Superfly, TNT, and the film starred and was directed by Ron O’Neal. In 1976, he published Roots The Saga of an American Family and Roots was eventually published in 37 languages, and he won a special Pulitzer Prize for the work in 1977. And that same year, Roots was adapted as a popular television mini series of the same name by ABC, and it reached a record breaking 130 million viewers. And Roots emphasized that Black Americans have a long history and that not all of that history is necessarily lost, as many had believed. And its popularity also sparked a greatly increased public interest in genealogy. And in 1979, ABC aired the sequel miniseries Roots The Next Generations, which continued the story of Kunta Kinte to his descendants. And in 2016, there was a remake of the original miniseries on the History Channel. So like Alex Haley, you also enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, and you were in the Marine Corps. In 1979 you appeared in Roots The Next Generations. What was that experience like?

Ernie Hudson [00:17:40] Yeah, when I first worked with them and met James Earl Jones, it was great. I didn’t have a lot to do with it, but I was just so happy to be a part of it. I didn’t know that Alex Haley wrote Superfly. Wow. You know, there. I’ve always been so just impressed with him and his body of work and, you know. But yeah, I was just very, very honored to be there. You know, I didn’t do a lot, but very happy to be a part of it.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:18:19] Mm hmm. Well, I mean, you mentioned James Earl Jones in your beginning stages of your career, and even the middle stages of your career, are there any Black actors that you you looked up to or that you tried to emulate in any of their whether it’s work ethic or their approach to a script or a scene?

Ernie Hudson [00:18:43] Um, you know, unfortunately, I think we actors we or at least when I came through, we’re sort of lone wolves.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:18:50] Mm hmm.

Ernie Hudson [00:18:51] You know, we don’t run with the policy normally. You know, I think to survive this business, you kind of have to sort of put your head down and keep moving forward. Keep working. At least that’s how I thought of it. So you don’t really get to know each other well. But there, people. Yeah. James Earl Jones was just as a theatrical an actor who commanded, who was just. You know, bigger than life. Who I think as an actor, I wanted to in fact, I ended up doing the Great White Hope for a number of years, a play that he had done original on Broadway. So I’ve always and to this day, I’m just so such a fan of his and an admirer of his. But also Sidney Poitier. And not because of the acting I loved as well, but just as a the example that he always presented to projected, you know, his there was something that’s inspiring about just him and who he was and how he he how he just carried himself. And it was I think sometimes, you know, growing up as a, you know, a Black kid without a dad, you know, the family dynamics are uniquely your own. But those, you know, seeing Sidney Poitier and, you know, Blackboard Jungle and just seeing the possibilities and sometimes I don’t know if it’s you know, activism is really admirable and wonderful, but sometimes just the light that you carry. And James Earl Jones, you know, was inspiring on stage and as an actor. But Sidney, just as a human being, I thought. Always, you know, and when you see people accomplish things that you sometimes consider impossible, it certainly lights the way for you to keep pushing forward.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:20:57] Absolutely. Absolutely. And just helps you see a foundation that’s possible as you move forward. We’re going to take a quick break. I am just over the moon talking to Mr. Ernie Hudson. We’ll be right back. You’re listening to the Blackest Questions. Okay, We are back. I’m with Mr. Ernie Hudson. We’re about to have question number five. Are you ready, Mr. Hudson?

Ernie Hudson [00:21:21] I’m probably not, but I’m ready.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:21:24] That’s all right. But, I mean, listen, we’re all learning something I did not know.

Ernie Hudson [00:21:28] I am and I’m so thankful because, you know. Yeah, I’m enjoying it very much. So thank you.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:21:33] And I didn’t know about, you know, your service to the nation in Armed Services, nor did I know about Mr. Haley’s service to the nation in the armed forces. So, I mean, just, you know, again, as I always say on this podcast, Black history is American history. And we just have so many legends past and present. And so I’m just so glad that you’re spending some time with us today. Okay. Question number five. In 2022, NAACP Image Award winner in the Outstanding Supporting Actor in a drama series category was nominated for his role as Davis McClain. He later admitted that his unwillingness to be punctual resulted in his character being written off of the hit TV show Oz. Who is he?

Ernie Hudson [00:22:19] Oh, my. I have no idea.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:22:30] So we know that you were on the hit television show as the answer is Method Man. So Method Man told Angela Yee on the Breakfast Club that his time on the series Oz wasn’t supposed to be so short. But he said his laziness is what led to the character’s death. So he didn’t yell cut to the producers. But according to Page Six, Method Man told the television personality that he had fought hard to be cast on the show, but that one day he just didn’t feel like getting up. And so he didn’t think that showing up late would be a big deal. But it was a huge deal to showrunner Tom Fontana. And so Method Man recalled that he was told to show up the next day, and when he did, a new script had been created and his character was killed off. And that was the end of his time on Oz. Now we know now that his career is thriving. He was in The Wire. For those of us who know how much I love The Wire, but he also won an image award for in the Outstanding Supporting Actor in a drama series category in February 2022, for his role as Davis McClain in Power Book II: Ghost, that popular series. And so in the late 1990s and early 2000s, the series Oz followed the lives of several inmates and prison personnel at the fictional Oswald State Correctional Facility. And the majority of the story took place in one experimental block, nicknamed the Emerald City inside the facility. So you were a regular in that show, I have to admit, I tried to watch that show and it was too much for me. I just couldnt. I’m more of a comedy type person. You know, I can watch Ghostbusters, but every now and again, there’s some scenes where I’m like, okay, I’m a touch scared. So, you know, Oz was well, out of my wheelhouse.

Ernie Hudson [00:24:08] But you like wire, The Wire?

Dr. Christina Greer [00:24:09] Oh, I love. You know, Baltimore is my favorite city and I teach urban politics. So there’s a certain tangible reality about that show that wasn’t scary. Whereas Oz felt like, I don’t know, these characters.

[00:24:24] Yeah.

[00:24:25] And they’re, they’re giving me a little bit of agita. So tell us about your time on Oz.

Ernie Hudson [00:24:32] Well, you know, I was the warden and I’d worked with Tom Fontana on Saint Elsewhere, a series that Denzel was one of the regulars on. And so when he came up with Oz, asked me to be a part of it. And I so loved working on that show. And I can understand Tom was very you know, he was very adamant about people showing up, being on time. You know, we did a lot and a little amount of time. And you have to show up prepared, ready to go. And there was no time for that kind of. So I can see how he would have been written off after that short period of time. But it was a great year for me. It was. Such an amazing cast that Tom would bring in different directors. Brian Cox, who does a show called Succession. He.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:25:28] Oh yeah.

Ernie Hudson [00:25:29] He directed a couple of the episodes when I first met him. We just recently finished a movie that worked on with him. But yeah, Oz was it was a great time, you know, to to work in New York, but it was just a great cast of people. A lot of people worked on the show, gone on to do some wonderful work. And it was one of those those series that unfortunately we it was the first one, the first series for HBO, and we only did eight episodes, which means you couldn’t make any money, you know, network TV, you do possibly 22 shows. So, yes, a good payday. But but ours is just a great show to work on. And I’m so, so thankful that I had that opportunity.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:26:16] Yeah. All of you were so brilliant. The little bit that I saw, all of you were so brilliant. And what’s this new movie you’ve got coming up? We got to have you come back on and tell us all about it.

Ernie Hudson [00:26:24] Yeah, well, there. During the pandemic, the height of the pandemic, I shot three movies.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:26:28] Oh, goodness.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:26:29] And I was just in my yoga pants making banana bread.

Ernie Hudson [00:26:34] Yeah. You know, I. I took some time. Well, we all took some time out. I thought, well, I must use this time. So I dropped probably about 35 pounds, you know.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:26:45] I picked them up for you.

Ernie Hudson [00:26:47] I think a lot of people did. But I get serious about my diet. And then work happened. I went to the Cayman Islands and shot a movie with Nicolas Cage.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:26:58] Okay.

Ernie Hudson [00:26:59] Called Retirement Plan. That should be coming out soon. And I the movie with Brian Cox is called The President’s Daughter with Kate Beckinsale. We shot in Vegas during that time. Wonderful script and hopefully it’ll you know but I really feel good about it. And there was a film coming out next in February 1st of February and well, it’s coming out soon called Champion with Woody Harrelson.

Champion [00:27:34] Well, he got fired. Marcus, get off the court. That wasn’t nice. Nothing but bad news for the Iowa Stallions. What an idiot.

Ernie Hudson [00:27:45] But they were all very different and just a lot of fun to to to be working, especially during that period when everything was kind of shut down.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:27:52] Yes. So before we go to commercial break, I just want everyone to feel super lazy. Since Mr. Hudson made three films while we were all in our pajamas watching Netflix incessantly. We’re going to take a quick break and come back and we’re going to play the Lightning Round with Mr. Ernie Hudson. Okay, Mr. Hudson, before we let you out of here, begin time for a quick Black Lightning round. Now, this is no right or wrong answers. You just tell us how you feel about the question. Okay.

Ernie Hudson [00:28:24] Okay. All right.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:28:26] Your favorite hero, Bruce Lee or Muhammad Ali?

Ernie Hudson [00:28:29] Oh, Muhammad Ali.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:28:30] If you had to choose jazz or the blues?

Ernie Hudson [00:28:34] Now. The blues.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:28:35] Okay. Best eighties travel sitcom. Guilty Pleasure goes to Fantasy Island or The Love Boat?

Ernie Hudson [00:28:45] Fantasy Island, I have to say.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:28:47] Okay. Most pesky 1980s family goes to One Day at a Time or Gimme a Break?

Ernie Hudson [00:28:56] Give Me a Break.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:28:57] Okay. What did Mr. T do when he was with the A-Team?

Ernie Hudson [00:29:03] He was. What did he do? Was he a bodyguard? He’s a driver. He drives the van. I did the show, but I don’t know he did.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:29:10] Well, he also pity the fool. Okay. In the vein of Gil Scott-Heron. In our celebration of 50 years of hip hop. Do you have a favorite rap song or rap artist?

Ernie Hudson [00:29:23] Oh, I guess, you know, maybe Sugarhill Gang and the stuff they came out with.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:29:31] And that’s right. And if you had to choose Different Strokes or Webster?

Ernie Hudson [00:29:38] Different Strokes.

Dr. Christina Greer [00:29:39] Okay. I want to thank our guests for today’s episode, Mr. Ernie Hudson. If you go on his IMDB, the list is long and long and long. I’m so thankful for your body of work. You’ve been listening to the Blackest Questions. The show is produced by Sasha Armstrong, Akilah Shedrick, Geoffrey Trudeau, and Regina Griffin is the director of the Podcast Network. If you like what you heard, subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode. And please download theGrio app and listen and watch many more great shows. Thanks for listening.